Watch the video showing an ICE Agent, apparently unknowingly caught on film, threatening to murder a protester if he raises his voice. This psychopathic behavior adds to the argument that the killings of Good and Pretti may be part of a deliberate policy of murder, similar to that carried out historically by South American vigilate "death squads." ICE is reportedly conducting a massive surveillance operation and the targets are white "ideologically unsound" Americans.
The Italians are freaking out about ICE being sent to assist with the Winter Olympics in Milan.
The clip in this article is making it into news clips around the world:
I impeached Biden’s Secretary of Homeland Security, Alejandro Mayorkas, those were my articles of impeachment that passed in the House of Representatives. I unapologetically believe in border security and deporting criminal illegal aliens and I support law enforcement.
However, I also unapologetically support the 2nd amendment.
Legally carrying a firearm is not the same as brandishing a firearm.
I support American’s 1st and 4th amendment rights.
There is nothing wrong with legally peacefully protesting and videoing.
MAGA, consider it like this.
We lost our minds when we watched Biden’s FBI track down and aggressively carry out home invasions and arrest on peaceful J6’ers who walked in the Capitol through open doors.
Imaging if one of our MAGA independent journalists or even just a MAGA supporter stood in the street outside a J6’ers house while Biden’s FBI carried out a law enforcement operation, home invasion, and arrest.
Then Biden’s FBI goes to the MAGA guy videoing it all and shoves a woman with him to the ground and sprays them with bear spray then throws the MAGA guy to the ground as MAGA guy was trying to help the woman off the ground. Then Biden’s FBI beats MAGA guy on the ground, disarms MAGA guy, and then shoots him dead.
What would have been our reaction?
Both sides need to take off their political blinders.
You are all being incited into civil war, yet none of it solves any of the real problems that we all face, and tragically people are dying.
I agree with you on the core point: both sides need to take off the blinders. That’s exactly why I’m pushing back on absolutist framing in both directions.
Yes, there are bad apples in ICE. Any large law-enforcement agency will have them, and threats like the one caught on video are unacceptable and should be investigated. No argument there. But you’re leaping from documented misconduct by an individual agent to a deliberate policy of murder and death-squad tactics. That’s a jump the evidence simply doesn’t support.
What bothers me is the asymmetry. You’re quick to generalize ICE as “psychopathic” based on clips and rhetoric, while minimizing—or ignoring—the documented, organized provocation on the other side. The SignalGate material I cross-posted lays out, in granular detail, coordinated tracking, interception, harassment, and obstruction of federal officers. That isn’t passive filming or peaceful protest. It’s operational interference.
Restraint does go both ways. Law enforcement should be restrained, professional, and accountable. But activists inserting themselves into enforcement actions, following officers, blocking vehicles, escalating confrontations, and showing up repeatedly after training sessions are not neutral civilians caught in the wrong place. Context matters.
The J6 analogy cuts both ways, too. Many of us objected precisely because law enforcement tactics were expanded, politicized, and normalized in ways that blurred protest, surveillance, and punishment. That lesson should make us more careful with labels, not quicker to declare that any fatal encounter equals a death squad.
I’m not interested in incitement narratives, civil-war rhetoric, or moral sorting by tribe. I’m interested in distinguishing protest from obstruction, misconduct from policy, and individual abuse from institutional intent. Once everything becomes “murder” or “terrorism,” analysis collapses and accountability disappears.
If we actually want fewer people dying, we have to be honest about provocation, escalation, and responsibility on all sides—not just the ones we already distrust.
I said that "This psychopathic behavior adds to the argument that the killings of Good and Pretti may be part of a deliberate policy of murder, similar to that carried out historically by South American vigilante 'death squads.' " The important words are "adds to" and "may be." There appears to be a PATTERN of behavior, consistent with fascism and death squads, and that has its supporters. At this stage, the idea that this is a policy, of murder, is purely a hypothesis, but it's getting progressively harder for the apologists. Some of te Italians see the similarity, and moral equivalence, to the behavior of the Gestapo and SS even though you're incapable of doing so, or wilfully blind.
It is ironic that you so often condemn Hitler and yet, other than with regard to your differing views on who the master race is, and with regard to intellectual ability, although you are bright, you are so much like him.
What’s driving this isn’t some cartoonish good-versus-evil story. It’s a volatile mix of aggressive federal enforcement, open political resistance from local officials, and large numbers of activists deliberately escalating confrontations on the ground. That combination is combustible, and real people are getting hurt as a result.
Comparing ICE or Border Patrol to Nazis or death squads is not justified by the evidence on the table. It’s inflammatory and undermines credibility, especially when real misconduct needs to be investigated and addressed seriously.
And this is where your critique loses balance: you consistently minimize or ignore the scale of provocation. This wasn’t one isolated protester. There were hundreds—likely thousands—of aggressively mobilized activists repeatedly inserting themselves into enforcement actions, clearly trying to provoke a lethal response. Questioning the shootings is fair; pretending that context doesn’t matter is not.
Like others, Pretti was filming them for a reason. It was to help identify "the disappeared" who might vanish to never be seen again, perhaps thrown from a helicopter over the ocean. He hated their guts. That's his right. There is a right to hate people you find despicable. The contempt and loathing he had for ICE is obvious from videos of him kicking their cars and spitting at them. They had broken his rib. But he never once reached for his weapon. I don't like people spitting at me but it doesn’t give anyone the right to murder someone.
You’re asserting that Pretti was filming to expose “the disappeared,” including fantasies about people being thrown from helicopters. That’s a serious claim, but you offer no evidence that this is happening or that Pretti had proof of it. Treating speculative horror stories as established fact doesn’t justify escalating confrontations with armed federal agents.
At the same time, you keep minimizing the provocation. What’s documented isn’t passive filming but repeated, aggressive behavior — spitting, kicking vehicles, inserting himself into enforcement actions — multiplied across large numbers of activists over time. That kind of sustained pressure is designed to provoke an overreaction. Ignoring that context while focusing exclusively on officer behavior isn’t balance.
Questioning the shooting is fair, and accountability matters. But turning Pretti into a martyr while dismissing the scale and intent of the provocations — and leaping straight to death-squad analogies — distorts the picture. You can oppose excessive force without pretending provocation was trivial or imaginary.
Watch the video showing an ICE Agent, apparently unknowingly caught on film, threatening to murder a protester if he raises his voice. This psychopathic behavior adds to the argument that the killings of Good and Pretti may be part of a deliberate policy of murder, similar to that carried out historically by South American vigilate "death squads." ICE is reportedly conducting a massive surveillance operation and the targets are white "ideologically unsound" Americans.
The Italians are freaking out about ICE being sent to assist with the Winter Olympics in Milan.
The clip in this article is making it into news clips around the world:
“I Erase Your Voice”: ICE Agents Threaten People After Alex Pretti https://share.google/SSXeT0potA0U3Q4W9
And, from a few days ago:
Marjorie Taylor Greene says Trump is leading US "into civil war" after Minneapolis shooting https://share.google/8VL6vowNsGUiZz7NC
Former Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene
I impeached Biden’s Secretary of Homeland Security, Alejandro Mayorkas, those were my articles of impeachment that passed in the House of Representatives. I unapologetically believe in border security and deporting criminal illegal aliens and I support law enforcement.
However, I also unapologetically support the 2nd amendment.
Legally carrying a firearm is not the same as brandishing a firearm.
I support American’s 1st and 4th amendment rights.
There is nothing wrong with legally peacefully protesting and videoing.
MAGA, consider it like this.
We lost our minds when we watched Biden’s FBI track down and aggressively carry out home invasions and arrest on peaceful J6’ers who walked in the Capitol through open doors.
Imaging if one of our MAGA independent journalists or even just a MAGA supporter stood in the street outside a J6’ers house while Biden’s FBI carried out a law enforcement operation, home invasion, and arrest.
Then Biden’s FBI goes to the MAGA guy videoing it all and shoves a woman with him to the ground and sprays them with bear spray then throws the MAGA guy to the ground as MAGA guy was trying to help the woman off the ground. Then Biden’s FBI beats MAGA guy on the ground, disarms MAGA guy, and then shoots him dead.
What would have been our reaction?
Both sides need to take off their political blinders.
You are all being incited into civil war, yet none of it solves any of the real problems that we all face, and tragically people are dying.
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I agree with you on the core point: both sides need to take off the blinders. That’s exactly why I’m pushing back on absolutist framing in both directions.
Yes, there are bad apples in ICE. Any large law-enforcement agency will have them, and threats like the one caught on video are unacceptable and should be investigated. No argument there. But you’re leaping from documented misconduct by an individual agent to a deliberate policy of murder and death-squad tactics. That’s a jump the evidence simply doesn’t support.
What bothers me is the asymmetry. You’re quick to generalize ICE as “psychopathic” based on clips and rhetoric, while minimizing—or ignoring—the documented, organized provocation on the other side. The SignalGate material I cross-posted lays out, in granular detail, coordinated tracking, interception, harassment, and obstruction of federal officers. That isn’t passive filming or peaceful protest. It’s operational interference.
Restraint does go both ways. Law enforcement should be restrained, professional, and accountable. But activists inserting themselves into enforcement actions, following officers, blocking vehicles, escalating confrontations, and showing up repeatedly after training sessions are not neutral civilians caught in the wrong place. Context matters.
The J6 analogy cuts both ways, too. Many of us objected precisely because law enforcement tactics were expanded, politicized, and normalized in ways that blurred protest, surveillance, and punishment. That lesson should make us more careful with labels, not quicker to declare that any fatal encounter equals a death squad.
I’m not interested in incitement narratives, civil-war rhetoric, or moral sorting by tribe. I’m interested in distinguishing protest from obstruction, misconduct from policy, and individual abuse from institutional intent. Once everything becomes “murder” or “terrorism,” analysis collapses and accountability disappears.
If we actually want fewer people dying, we have to be honest about provocation, escalation, and responsibility on all sides—not just the ones we already distrust.
Initially-Secret Report From 2013: Customs & Border Patrol Agents Got in Way of Vehicles, Then Used Deadly Force
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izonttr5Tp4
I said that "This psychopathic behavior adds to the argument that the killings of Good and Pretti may be part of a deliberate policy of murder, similar to that carried out historically by South American vigilante 'death squads.' " The important words are "adds to" and "may be." There appears to be a PATTERN of behavior, consistent with fascism and death squads, and that has its supporters. At this stage, the idea that this is a policy, of murder, is purely a hypothesis, but it's getting progressively harder for the apologists. Some of te Italians see the similarity, and moral equivalence, to the behavior of the Gestapo and SS even though you're incapable of doing so, or wilfully blind.
It is ironic that you so often condemn Hitler and yet, other than with regard to your differing views on who the master race is, and with regard to intellectual ability, although you are bright, you are so much like him.
What’s driving this isn’t some cartoonish good-versus-evil story. It’s a volatile mix of aggressive federal enforcement, open political resistance from local officials, and large numbers of activists deliberately escalating confrontations on the ground. That combination is combustible, and real people are getting hurt as a result.
Comparing ICE or Border Patrol to Nazis or death squads is not justified by the evidence on the table. It’s inflammatory and undermines credibility, especially when real misconduct needs to be investigated and addressed seriously.
And this is where your critique loses balance: you consistently minimize or ignore the scale of provocation. This wasn’t one isolated protester. There were hundreds—likely thousands—of aggressively mobilized activists repeatedly inserting themselves into enforcement actions, clearly trying to provoke a lethal response. Questioning the shootings is fair; pretending that context doesn’t matter is not.
Like others, Pretti was filming them for a reason. It was to help identify "the disappeared" who might vanish to never be seen again, perhaps thrown from a helicopter over the ocean. He hated their guts. That's his right. There is a right to hate people you find despicable. The contempt and loathing he had for ICE is obvious from videos of him kicking their cars and spitting at them. They had broken his rib. But he never once reached for his weapon. I don't like people spitting at me but it doesn’t give anyone the right to murder someone.
You’re asserting that Pretti was filming to expose “the disappeared,” including fantasies about people being thrown from helicopters. That’s a serious claim, but you offer no evidence that this is happening or that Pretti had proof of it. Treating speculative horror stories as established fact doesn’t justify escalating confrontations with armed federal agents.
At the same time, you keep minimizing the provocation. What’s documented isn’t passive filming but repeated, aggressive behavior — spitting, kicking vehicles, inserting himself into enforcement actions — multiplied across large numbers of activists over time. That kind of sustained pressure is designed to provoke an overreaction. Ignoring that context while focusing exclusively on officer behavior isn’t balance.
Questioning the shooting is fair, and accountability matters. But turning Pretti into a martyr while dismissing the scale and intent of the provocations — and leaping straight to death-squad analogies — distorts the picture. You can oppose excessive force without pretending provocation was trivial or imaginary.
Throwing the disappeared from helicopters is common in far right regimes.